Teen Metaverse Blog

Well, duiring the town hall a very wide variety of topics was discussed, from WindLight, to a possible All Ages Area (AAA). There were more than 50 avatars squeezed into the little parcel that is the TSL Multimedia Stage, notice, in the picture, that it seems nearly empty, thats is because there were so many avatars, very few were able to be made visible. Many people chose to leave, here is a very cut down transcript of the meeting, when we get a full transcript, we will post it here.

[16:12] Blue Linden: “Would LL be willing to update the TSL webpage more frequently (i.e. once a month) if the residents also agreed to produce content for it?”

[16:14] Blue Linden: the reason the TSL site doesn’t get the same kind of upgrades as SL site is that it’s not meant to be interactive in the same way
[16:14] Blue Linden: like a lot of things…..when SL get’s a major upgrade it benefits everyone….TSL and SL together
[16:15] Blue Linden: so TSL website doesn’t get the same kind of attention

[16:20] Mia Linden: [16:04] kevin Oto: no gestures land seting ,add flash so we can play flash games or add youtube videos. Let car use more then 32 prims.

[16:23] Blue Linden: we’re working on web-in-SL and have made some progress…..
[16:23] Blue Linden: f1 is HTML in a window in SL…..
[16:23] Blue Linden: before long you’ll be able to put HTML on a prim
[16:23] Blue Linden: which will change SL dramatically
[16:24] Blue Linden: Java support is a different issue though…and that might take a little bit longer. But it’s coming!

[16:24] Mia Linden: [15:59] Chilko Tardis: what steps do you plan to take in response to the recent complaints by Katharine Berry and many other teens demanding several features that are present on the MG but are absent here, such as the MapAPI. Or Signups.
[16:25] Blue Linden: some of the issues brought up by Kat were very valid
[16:25] Blue Linden: registration being broken for example
[16:26] Blue Linden: that was a huge problem…if you weren’t aware, only north americans with cel phones could make accounts
[16:27] Blue Linden: Paypal was fixed last week, however, so now people can make accounts around the globe
[16:27] Blue Linden: which is what we had always intended of course
[16:27] Blue Linden: as to the accusation that TSL is neglected, it’s a difficult issue
[16:28] Blue Linden: as with the web page there are definitely times when company resources spent on SL benefit TSL equally

[16:29] Mia Linden: [15:59] SpikeTheCat Zapedzki: Ok, Mia, I got a question, Will TSL eveer invite Famous authors on TSL and let them talk about… “stuff”?

—-sidenote: Blue Linden crashed at this point, so Mia Linden gave his responses. At least that’s what the official statement said. <_

[16:41] Mia Linden: [16:09] Eric Mauvaise: is Linden Labs going to add more mainland sims to increase land in TSL?

[16:41] Blue Linden: we add sims to SL and TSL based on demand, and there hasn’t been much demand on TSL, I’m afraid
[16:42] Blue Linden: there is a certain amount of land available for sale right now….if all of that was bought tonight, we’d definitely put up more sims
([16:42] Vince Bosen: 4L$/sqm land prices isn’t alot of demand? >_>)
[16:42] Blue Linden: Vince, you should see the prices on SL >__< [16:44] Blue Linden: but is now fixed yay [16:44] Mia Linden: [16:10] SunshineSmile Sands: Hey! How ya doin? Mia, I was going to ask an interesting questions Im NOT sure the lindens would know about.. but its worth a shot.. I have thought about lindens combining the adult grid with the teen grid [ and restrict places until you show your ID that your 18 so theres no access] I was wondering if they were going to join them up? [16:11] SunshineSmile Sands: xD does that make sence in some way? lol [16:45] Blue Linden: SunshineSmile! you’re a genius
[16:45] Blue Linden: hehe one of the reason TSL hasn’t had any major changes or upgrades is that we’ve been devoting TSL-specific resources to the idea of an All Ages Area
[16:46] Blue Linden: we see a couple of real problems with the way SL/TSL works…..
[16:46] Blue Linden: 1) you can’t teach your parents to build/script….and many of you could teach them a lot
[16:46] Blue Linden: it’s not cool that you can’t be with your family in SL
[16:47] Blue Linden: 2) LL’s 18th birthday present to you is that you can’t see your friends anymore
[16:47] Blue Linden: that’s really bad….
[16:47] Blue Linden: TSL was made so teens could be in SL…..used to be you had to be 18 or you couldn’t be here at all
[16:47] Blue Linden: so we made TSL
[16:48] Blue Linden: but we think we’re at the point where we can allow teens for broader participation in SL
[16:49] Blue Linden: this All Ages Area, is still being worked on….it’s likely going to be a space in SL that both adults and teens can access
[16:49] Blue Linden: this doesn’t mean we shouldn’t have teen-only space
[16:49] Blue Linden: having a place where there are no adults is still a good idea
[16:50] Blue Linden: how AAA relates to TSL is yet to be determined….we’ll give you more info when we know

[16:49] Mia Linden: [16:12] ionchill Allen: is there an estimated time on when windlight will be on the main grid if so how long?
[16:50] Blue Linden: WINDLIGHT is a client, and you can download it now to check it out
([16:50] Cloud Koba: A laggy one…)
[16:51] Blue Linden: (you can shut down all the options and it’s actually faster than the regular client
[16:51] Blue Linden: I don’t have the release date, but first look is to get the bugs sorted out…download it, and send in bug reports and we’ll be able to release it sooner!

[16:52] Mia Linden: [16:43] Meatwad Extraordinaire: Are there any ideas going around of how to encoruage the TSL population to participate more in the community, meaning resident-hosted events more than once a week, etc?
[16:52] Blue Linden: well, Meat, as you might’ve noticed at the beginning of this meeting, it can be pretty tough to host events in TSL ;p
[16:52] Blue Linden: I’m lucky there are a bunch of lindens here riding shotgun
[16:53] Blue Linden: we had encouraged events early on in TSL’s history, but they never really became a regular thing…..
[16:53] Blue Linden: instead people have other types of social events, that don’t generate the kind of trouble ;p

[16:54] Mia Linden: [16:17] Mariel Voyunicef: I ask again: Would LL be willing to update the TSL webpage more frequently (i.e. once a month) if the residents also agreed to produce content for it?

[16:54] Blue Linden: I did that one first….but I realized I didn’t answer all of it
[16:54] Blue Linden: the idea of resident-provided content
[16:55] Blue Linden: the problem with TSL webpage is upkeep….and resources are best spent on SL page which everyone has access to, not just a minority of residents
[16:56] Blue Linden: maintaining user-generated content would likely require a similar amount of time, so it’s not something we wanted to devote our time to
[16:56] Blue Linden: but I did put up a resource on the forums for residents to add their blogs and webpages to
[16:56] Blue Linden: you can email me at [email]blue@Lindenlab.com[/email]
[16:56] Blue Linden: and I’ll list your site
[16:56] Blue Linden: that’s likely the best way to get resident content up without us telling you what you can and can’t do

[16:56] Mia Linden: [16:19] Myrror Remblai: How well can sl handel full 3d models getting uploaded, and or how well do they work, if at all.
[16:57] Blue Linden: well, at this point, there’s no official support for uploading of 3D models
[16:57] Blue Linden: sculpties is as close as you can get right now
[16:58] Blue Linden: although some residents have made translators so you can use 3D programs to create sculpties
[16:58] Blue Linden: google SL + (3D program of your choice)

[16:58] Mia Linden: [16:49] Emondrell Raymaker: One quick question: What’s the Focus sim for? It looms rather ominously, and the MGers can’t see it… Yet it’s marked MG o,O

[16:58] Blue Linden: Focus, eh…hmmm
[16:58] Blue Linden: lol
([16:58] Goku Neumann: hes pretending he doesn’t know ;-))
[16:58] Blue Linden: that’s on the main grid
[16:59] Blue Linden: hehe i wasn’t pretending ;p
[16:59] Blue Linden: it looks like it’s a SL sim that was mistakenly set to TSL
[16:59] Blue Linden: not sure though, I’ll check it out

[16:59] Mia Linden: [16:49] Omega Okame: If someone in tg or mg had a second account in the other grid what will you do?

[17:00] Blue Linden: if someone on TSL has an account on the other grid, the support team can cancel the account, or permanently ban the person
[17:00] Blue Linden: if an adult from SL made an account on TSL they could be banned and LL could send their info to the authorities

[17:01] Mia Linden: [16:22] Mike Denneny: How about some new type of rendering system that allows shading on a autocad level. It would allow casting of shadows based on where light sources are.

[17:02] Blue Linden: Mike…..you’ll need to talk to the Windlight team about new rendering systems and new shaders
[17:02] Blue Linden: but they’ve got some amazing long term plans….
[17:02] Blue Linden: reflective water and gorgeous clouds are just part of it
[17:03] Blue Linden: someday there will be realistic trees, mappable terrain
([17:03] Rufus Skall: I think the clouds are ugly.)
[17:03] Blue Linden: Rufus….go to youtube and search for Nimble
[17:03] Blue Linden: the clouds you see in Windlight are 2D placeholders
[17:03] Blue Linden: the 3D clouds are coming and they’re amazing
([17:03] Goku Neumann: To the TG, Blue?)
[17:04] Blue Linden: Yes Goku….one of the reasons you don’t see a lot of TSL-specific stuff is because we are making ALL of SL rock
([17:04] Sephiroth Everidge: …. 3-D clouds? Wouldnt that KILL the game? Clouds are rather intricate…)
[17:04] Blue Linden: no Sephiroth….windlight’s Nimble is superfast 3D volumetric clouds

[17:04] Mia Linden: 6:24] Curly Fride: What about Web-on-a-prim, I’d love to have a working computer in my apartment. I know it sounds silly, but it would be WICKED AWESIME!

[17:05] Blue Linden: can’t wait for web-on-a-prim
[17:05] Blue Linden: we’ve made a lot of progress on it, but you can’t see most of it because it’s all back-end code
[17:05] Blue Linden: but you’ll eventually be able to replace a prim side with a webpage
([17:06] Goku Neumann: Would the webpage cost 10l to upload?)
[17:06] Blue Linden: not sure when you’ll first see web-on-a-prim…..it’s a big project
[17:06] Blue Linden: lol…good question

[17:06] Mia Linden: [16:47] SabrinaNever Offcourse: Hello Mia,i have a question……..Ok,so, When you want to buy Linden, through the website,is it cheaper to buy it from SL website or SL Exchange?
[17:06] Blue Linden: er…..I think they are the same. not sure

[17:07] Blue Linden: OKAY…..meeting was meant for 1 hour….but Mia says there are a lot of questions left
[17:07] Blue Linden: let’s do SPEED ANSWER
[17:07] Blue Linden cracks knuckles

[17:08] Mia Linden: [16:29] Natalia Obscure: My question may not be TSL related, but as for Windlight, how will Linden Labs satisfy users who can use it compared to users who do not have the ability to use it such as those who have laptops?

[17:08] Blue Linden: we need to lower system specs…..Windlight’s top features need a good machine, but at low settings, it runs better than the regular client :0

[17:09] Mia Linden: [16:29] Rabor159 Silverspar: when itransfer to adult sl will i keep all of my items that i aquired in tsl?

[17:09] Blue Linden: yes

[17:09] Mia Linden: [16:30] Jacksp500 Boa: I was wondering when the Havok4 Client will go online on the TG, if not already done so.

[17:09] Blue Linden: SL + TSL will both get Havok at the same time…..when it’s done testing. SOon!

[17:09] Mia Linden: [16:31] Sylver Bu: What is the current progress on Linden Lab’s plan for an All Ages Area?

[17:10] Blue Linden: that’s a big question…the lightning round answer is…we’re halfway there

17:10] Mia Linden: [16:32] Christina Hereter: How do you make linden dolars
[17:10] Blue Linden: with lots of linden cents

[17:11] Mia Linden: [16:41] Chilko Tardis: could we have some better messages of the day? Like chinese proverbs?
[17:11] Blue Linden: email [email]blue@lindenlab.com[/email] with messages of the day, and I’ll add the good ones to the rotation

[17:11] Mia Linden: [16:42] Xa Keon: I know there have been lots of updates and such lately, but is this support focusing on the Main Grid? Or are the fixes and troubleshooting more universal?

[17:11] Blue Linden: phil, hard rudder left for clockwise, and wing over

[17:12] Mia Linden: [16:44] Fred Kinsei: About how many TG residents there are?
([17:11] Eric Mauvaise: my uncle says tps on the MG are alot faster!)
[17:12] Blue Linden: eric depends on where you are going to and where you are coming from….teleports work the same on both grids
[17:13] Blue Linden: Fred, about 86,000 signups…..about 9,000 active

[17:13] Mia Linden: [16:45] Vince Bosen: Why does AR on land set to 0 when you buy land? Simply changing that to 1 would almost eliminate sim lag due to object spam.

[17:13] Blue Linden: good idea Vince, I think it should be like that too

[17:13] Mia Linden: [16:46] Phil Delorean: Is there a way or will there be a way to “report” land that has been given to Governor Linden so it can be put back on the market? [16:57] Phil Delorean: Will Blue ever be my BFF?

[17:13] Blue Linden: I’ll harass someone about that
[17:14] Blue Linden: yes, Phil, go to secondlife.com/support and file a ticket with the sim and coordinates of the plot and it will be put on the governor’s TO DO list
[17:14] Blue Linden: I am BFF with all residents

[17:14] Mia Linden: [16:58] Malifico Bade: Another Question (:P); Will there ever be a PhotoShop/Sculpty/Animator/Voice Recorder(To Make Sounds[So it would be client-side i presumer]) Induced into the main Second Life client?

[17:15] Blue Linden: adding new toolsets to SL takes resources away from SL-specific stuff…..why re-invent the paint program when there are a dozen great free ones

[17:15] Mia Linden: [16:50] Clash Darkes: Are there any plans to fix Teen Grids shot ecconomy?
[17:16] Blue Linden: shot economy??
[17:16] Blue Linden: I disagree ;p
[17:16] Blue Linden: teens have less money to spend….we can’t really fix that exactly….unless we give you all jobs ;p

[17:17] Mia Linden: [16:53] Benett Carter: First land was shut down a while back because adults would take advantage of it, but teens need that discount, is there any way to have first land on the teen grid again?
(unanswered)

[17:17] Mia Linden: [17:01] Emondrell Raymaker: Is communication between the MG and the TG disallowed? For example email-based systems?
[17:18] Blue Linden: eesh…that’s a REALLY good one Emondrell
[17:18] Blue Linden: okay…here’s how it works….communicating directly with MG is bad….bannable
[17:18] Blue Linden: if you have a script that mails an external server, that’s fine….we don’t discourage SL + web services
[17:19] Blue Linden: if that server contacts main grid, we won’t tell you what to do with your RL server
([17:19] Ghost Tone: We shall out smart the lindens)
[17:19] Blue Linden: hey…no replacing blue >_< [17:19] Mia Linden: [17:03] Alex Harbinger: Question for Blue: You stated earlier not only that an All Ages Area is being worked on, but also that most, if not all of TSL-specific resources are being used for this. With so much devotion to this idea, we should be entitled to more information - ETAs (even rough ones are better than none), a better understanding of such an area (Is it merely a sim? Maybe all PG sims on MG (By definition, TG PG sims and MG PG sim rules follow the same guidelines, no?), et cetera), and hopefully a place with up-to-date information on these developments. Would this be at all possible? [17:19] Blue Linden: ooo….I never said “most if not all”! [17:19] Blue Linden: and you have all the info we can give you
[17:20] Blue Linden: a while ago, philip was on TSL talking about us thinking about All ages area

[17:20] Mia Linden: [17:09] Goku Neumann: I have heard rumors about everyone getting their own sim using the server their computer has. Can you confirm or bust this rumor? [17:16] Goku Neumann: You can be a MythBuster! =)

[17:21] Blue Linden: not exactly Goku….it’s more complicated than that…and I’m not technical enough to explain it sorry >_< [17:21] Blue Linden: you could possibly set up your own servers when we open-source server, but it might not be exactly like hosting up a webpage [17:22] Blue Linden: all the “stuff” in SL will still have to run off the databases [17:22] Mia Linden: [17:10] Cory Brando: What about in-game recording software? So we could use an internal progra in SL to record SL? [17:22] Blue Linden: like SL-paint…there are free 3rd party programs to record that would likely be better than what we’d make
[17:22] Blue Linden: Fraps is a good one, yes

[17:23] Mia Linden: [17:11] Sephiroth Everidge: will havoc 4 feature any other notable additions, such as mutli-link objects?

[17:23] Blue Linden: nothing like that….no raising the link limit, no multi-link….nothing shiny and candy like. But it will mean much less sim crashing

[17:24] Mia Linden: [17:13] Ghost Tone: When exactly is the next Map refresh?

[17:25] Blue Linden: map refresh is a mystery to me…..it takes a long time to refresh all the sims, who’s numbers keep growing

[17:25] Mia Linden: [17:13] Mariel Voyunicef: Why are there no public statistics of the TG?

[17:26] Blue Linden: Mariel, we rarely get requests for that and it would require webdev resources
[17:26] Blue Linden: it might not be moot after AAA

[17:26] Mia Linden: [17:19] Malifico Bade: Also; What about setting upa E-Mail system within SL, as in each person gets there own e-mail, so mine woul dbe something like [email]malificobade@secondlife.com[/email], this would be helpful if you are ever incappable of getting online second life, if it had your friends in contacts and you could IM/E-Mail them using your SL E-Mail [17:25] Malifico Bade: Or.. you could possible call it Mia-Mail! =)

[17:27] Blue Linden: Mal, we’re bringing in a social systems expert to work with us on the Community team….she’ll be looking at better ways for people to connect in SL
[17:27] Blue Linden: I wouldn’t mind having a [email]blue@secondlife.com[/email] address to go with my [email]blue@lindenlab.com[/email] one ;p

[17:28] Mia Linden: [17:24] Xa Keon: Are there any major changes expected for the building system in the future?
[17:28] Blue Linden: well, not as significant as adding flexy or sculptie prims, no not at the moment…..web-on-a-prim could affect builds though

[17:29] Mia Linden: [17:27] SabrinaNever Offcourse: can there ever be a way that my mom on the Main Grid, can give me items that the Lindens can approve? or is there a way or can there be a way that we could contact are relatives that are in the MG?

[17:30] Blue Linden: Sabrina, we want All Ages Area to be a way for you and your mom to exchange items, L$ etc, while hanging out and working/playing together

[17:31] Mia Linden: [17:26] Praise Thor: What is the status on Volunteering at LL? Can you still Intern?

[17:31] Blue Linden: we’ve never had teen interns here at the lab unfortunately….